SE Uni Regionals 04/05 Organisation


21.09.05

All looks rather professional...

Final tournament schedule

Final captain's pack


One way of explaining TE (see below for a more concise version):

I figured it out to be, basically, after group stages, firstly, the top 4 play semis/final (M), and the middle 8 play quarters/semis/final (T) [the quarters here are basically crossovers]. The losers of the [top 4] semis play each other, the loser of this match then plays the winner of the middle 8 [final] for 4/5th, and the winner [of the match between the teams that lost in the semis] plays the loser of the [1st/2nd] final for 2nd/3rd. The winner of 4th/5th then plays the loser of 2nd/3rd, for 3rd/4th place. So instead of the middle 8's final being to decide 5/6th, the winner carries on for possibly two matches after, against the losers from the top 4, eventually meaning they can get as high as 3rd.
The 4 losers from the first games in the middle 8 (T) drop down to play qrts/semis/final against the bottom 4 (R), and the losers from the second round of (T) play off for 7th/8th. If teams in (R) lose all their games they come 16th, win all they come 9th. The 4 losers from the first round in this tree play semis/final against each other - (D) - and the losers from the second round play off for 11th/12th.

The diagrams I attach make it much clearer, as long as you take note of these points:
I've renamed the seeds from the group stages as A1/A2/A3/A4 etc, but I still mention the seed numbers, so check them against the tables at the top of top8 if you're double checking stuff. The M1/M2/M3 things in boxes are the names of the matches. LM1 is the loser of M1.
If a seed number is underlined it means their final position has been decided and there will be no more games for that team.
My naming of M, T, R and D groups is totally random and corresponds to nothing. Maybe 'R' stands for 'Rejects'.
In the bottom 8, I've crossed out and replaced some teams because, the way the schedule was, statistically half of them would be playing teams they had played in the group stages. I leave that for the next round. As you can see, half the teams in the first round of R have played & lost a game in group T.
I think there could be another game in the top half - 1 vs 2 at the end. It's not too bad at the moment though, just the final gets played quite early on in the tournament, which would be weird. I think teams play between 5 and 8 games in total. Most play 6. Only one possibly plays 8 and only one, the winners, play 5.

Felix








Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D
1 2 3 4
8 7 6 5
10 9 12 11
15 16 13 14

After the three rounds of pool play teams take the seeding of their final pool position. The undefeated top place teams from each pool play the modified SE & DE brackets according to figure 1.

Figure 3: Sixteen team DE from Pools - SE & DE Brackets

The loser of these SE & DE brackets together with the second and third placed teams from the pools play the TE bracket according to figure 2.

Figure 3: Sixteen team DE from Pools - TE Bracket

The teams that placed fourth in their pools and the teams eliminated from the TE bracket in figure 2 play placement games according to figure 3.

Figure 3: Sixteen team DE from Pools - Placement Games


SO, this means if we divide the groups up, we can play the 12 group games for those two groups, PLUS two crossover-type games without having to merge back into one venue. i.e. Pools A&B and C&D cross over, so A2 vs B3, B2 vs A3, C2 vs D3 and D2 vs C3. This just means two extra games, which isn't a huge amount but will go a long way to help fill the hall time up. We could even have the semis of the top/bottom 4 played across these groups, but this would need discussion as it might mess up the scheduling (seeding wise).

On Saturday, then, for 8 teams there are 12 group games, then two crossovers, so 14 games in total. If you make the games 25mins long with a 5 minute crossover that makes 7 hours, or 5.8 hours if you have 20min games.
With regard to fininshing time... if people finish their games at 7pm, it'll be 7.30pm before they leave the sportscentre, 8pm to get home and maybe be starting eating, 9pm to start leaving to go to the party... should be alright? We normally finish at 5/6 and it seems to work out nicely.